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Illithen Firebringer · May 02, 2007, 10:53 PM // 22:53

Do you do extra damage if you have more that the required points in a weapon's Attribute?

For example, if I had a Water Staff Req. 9 Water Magic 11-22 dmg, and I had 16 Water Magic, would I do more than 11-22 damage because I had more than the required point level?

Thanks in advance,
Illithen

rabwatt · May 02, 2007, 11:34 PM // 23:34

no, unfortunatley not :-/

rabwatt · May 02, 2007, 11:35 PM // 23:35

plz delete, stuttered the send buttoned

Coloneh · May 03, 2007, 12:55 AM // 00:55

nope, not with wands and such. It increases the damage with a weapon attribute (i.e. axe mastery, marksmanship, ect.)

dargon · May 03, 2007, 01:21 AM // 01:21

Actually, Coleneh, it doesn't. All it does is increase your chance of a critical hit

Winston · May 03, 2007, 01:48 AM // 01:48

On a Warrior, more points into Strength will increase your armour penetration.

ZenRgy · May 03, 2007, 01:56 AM // 01:56

Quote:

Originally Posted by Winston

On a Warrior, more points into Strength will increase your armour penetration.

Adding points into Strength for just AP is pointless, 16 strength adds very little damage.

Luna Star · May 03, 2007, 02:06 AM // 02:06

http://www.guildwarsguru.com/content...nics-id674.php

Thomas.knbk · May 03, 2007, 07:18 AM // 07:18

Quote:

Originally Posted by dargon

Actually, Coleneh, it doesn't. All it does is increase your chance of a critical hit

Learn your facts. An axe with 16 axe mastry does about 15% more damage than an axe with 12, excluding critical hits. Go test it with Wild Blow if you don't believe me.
But for wands it doesn't work.

Toutatis · May 03, 2007, 10:10 AM // 10:10

In the case of the martial weapons (swords, axes, hammers, bows, daggers, scythes, spears), pushing attributes above the requirement for the weapon will increase the damage you can get out of them. The same does not hold true for the spellcasting weapons (staves and wands).

This is because martial weapons and spellcasting weapons are designed for totally different purposes. Martial weapons are designed to be a primary damage source for the professions that use them, while spellcasting professions get their damage output from the spells they cast. A spellcasting weapon is primarily designed to improve spellcasting in some way (more energy, shorter casting times, shorter spell recharge times).

Yanman.be · May 03, 2007, 11:10 AM // 11:10

In regard of the OP question: Weapon Req has NOTHING to do with damage calculation, unless you do not meet the requirement. Weapon Mastery will increase damage, but that has nothing to do with the req.

Illithen Firebringer · May 03, 2007, 12:21 PM // 12:21

Thanks everyone. I had no idea that it was only the Martial weapons.
I think the reason that elementalists dont have Wand Mastery is that they would be overpowered.
thanks for all of the quick replies!
-Illithen

dargon · May 03, 2007, 03:16 PM // 15:16

Quote:

Originally Posted by Thomas.knbk

Learn your facts. An axe with 16 axe mastry does about 15% more damage than an axe with 12, excluding critical hits. Go test it with Wild Blow if you don't believe me.
But for wands it doesn't work.

I'll admit to apparently being wrong on this one, atleast so far as wild blow is concerned (at 16 axe, 50 dmg, 12 axe 44 dmg, 9 axe 34 dmg), which implies one of two things to me. Either weapon attributes do infact cause you to inherently do more damage or they simply affect the bonus you do with a critical hit. Because of this, I decided to test a bit more with everyones favorite holiday toys, the candy cane weapons.

Candy Cane weapons have no requirement and their min damage is the same as their max, in the case of the Candy Cane Axe, 10-10, so in theory should do the same amount of damage no matter what your attribute level is. And because their minimum is the same as their max, no skills need be used which could possibly throw off the test.

(all tests done against the AL60 armor in Isle of the Nameless)
at 9 axe - 8 dmg, 11 on a critical hit
at 12 axe - 10 dmg, 14 on a critical hit
at 16 axe - 11 dmg, 16 on a critical hit

Obviously, I was indeed wrong. Your attribute level does have an effect on the base damage you do, however once you pass a 12 in the attribute, the law of diminishing returns sets in.

As a side note, at a 0 axe, a candy cane axe does 4 dmg, 6 on a critical hit

May 02, 2007, 10:53 PM // 22:53	#1
Illithen Firebringer Ascalonian Squire Join Date: Jan 2007 Location: Minnesota USA Guild: Brother Blood Profession: E/Mo	Extra Weapon Damage? Do you do extra damage if you have more that the required points in a weapon's Attribute? For example, if I had a Water Staff Req. 9 Water Magic 11-22 dmg, and I had 16 Water Magic, would I do more than 11-22 damage because I had more than the required point level? Thanks in advance, Illithen

May 02, 2007, 11:34 PM // 23:34	#2
rabwatt Frost Gate Guardian Join Date: Jun 2005 Profession: Mo/Me	no, unfortunatley not :-/ Last edited by rabwatt; May 02, 2007 at 11:37 PM // 23:37..

May 02, 2007, 11:35 PM // 23:35	#3
rabwatt Frost Gate Guardian Join Date: Jun 2005 Profession: Mo/Me	plz delete, stuttered the send buttoned

May 03, 2007, 12:55 AM // 00:55	#4
Coloneh Furnace Stoker Join Date: Nov 2006 Profession: D/W	nope, not with wands and such. It increases the damage with a weapon attribute (i.e. axe mastery, marksmanship, ect.)

May 03, 2007, 01:21 AM // 01:21	#5
dargon Furnace Stoker Join Date: May 2005 Guild: The Seraphim Knights [TSK] Profession: R/	Actually, Coleneh, it doesn't. All it does is increase your chance of a critical hit

May 03, 2007, 01:48 AM // 01:48	#6
Winston Krytan Explorer Join Date: Apr 2006 Location: Melbourne, Australia	On a Warrior, more points into Strength will increase your armour penetration.

May 03, 2007, 02:06 AM // 02:06	#8
Luna Star Ascalonian Squire Join Date: Apr 2007	http://www.guildwarsguru.com/content...nics-id674.php

May 03, 2007, 10:10 AM // 10:10	#10
Toutatis Walking Wiki Join Date: Nov 2006 Location: Isle of Medication Guild: Visitors from Aranna [VFA] Profession: Me/E	In the case of the martial weapons (swords, axes, hammers, bows, daggers, scythes, spears), pushing attributes above the requirement for the weapon will increase the damage you can get out of them. The same does not hold true for the spellcasting weapons (staves and wands). This is because martial weapons and spellcasting weapons are designed for totally different purposes. Martial weapons are designed to be a primary damage source for the professions that use them, while spellcasting professions get their damage output from the spells they cast. A spellcasting weapon is primarily designed to improve spellcasting in some way (more energy, shorter casting times, shorter spell recharge times).

May 03, 2007, 11:10 AM // 11:10	#11
Yanman.be Banned Join Date: Dec 2005 Location: Belgium Guild: [ROSE] Profession: A/	In regard of the OP question: Weapon Req has NOTHING to do with damage calculation, unless you do not meet the requirement. Weapon Mastery will increase damage, but that has nothing to do with the req.

May 03, 2007, 12:21 PM // 12:21	#12
Illithen Firebringer Ascalonian Squire Join Date: Jan 2007 Location: Minnesota USA Guild: Brother Blood Profession: E/Mo	Thanks everyone. I had no idea that it was only the Martial weapons. I think the reason that elementalists dont have Wand Mastery is that they would be overpowered. thanks for all of the quick replies! -Illithen